Author: tearj3rker

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:07 am

Hey Lilly,

I completely understand and agree with what you’re saying.

In jail however, it’s unlikely that people will be able to get enough suboxone to keep themselves on some kind of illicit treatment. It would only come in dribs and drabs. Building up such a tolerance that they’d no longer get effect from Sub would be very difficult.

From what I’ve heard, people who go into jails in the US are basically forced into immediate detox. I’m unsure whether Methadone is prescribed in jail (as it is here in Aus), but from what I heard by an American ex-addict I met while in NA, you pretty much start your detox when you’re put in remand, whether you like it or not.

Given that, it’s likely that the people using it in jail will be getting an effect or a "high" from the Sub they take, just as we would feel a high if we had 4mg after being clean and opiate free for a month or two. Why they’re choosing to smuggle in Sub, and not China, has me beat. The only reason I can attribute is that Sub is extremely accessible.

I can tell you what happens in Aus, as it’s quite interesting should you guys consider Methadone / Sub programs in jail. A person who has a history of opiate addiction in Aus who end up in remand or incarcerated, is offered the choice of going on a program, be it Suboxone or Methadone. By far and wide most people choose Methadone, but not for the reason you’d assume. Because methadone is swallowed, and it’s harder to smuggle, most people prefer it. If a person is given Suboxone, and the word gets out to their unit / pod (which it always does), they will basically be stood over, threatened, bashed or whatever until they agree to divert their dose for those people. The only people who choose to take Suboxone in jail are either those who want to profit from it – ie people who can handle themselves in jail, or have a solid crew for protection – or those who want it for themselves and know they can handle any threats.

Sub / Methadone is generally offered to those whose crimes have been drug related. Even if they’re clean at the time – ie they got clean and got pinched for a crime years later – many will still take the Methadone because they basically wanna "sleep through" their time. Even Imovaine and OTC sleep aids are a valuable commodity.

I’ve never done hard time. But I’ve lived with many people who have, and this is what they tell me.

Author: tearj3rker

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:07 am

Hey Lilly,

I completely understand and agree with what you’re saying.

In jail however, it’s unlikely that people will be able to get enough suboxone to keep themselves on some kind of illicit treatment. It would only come in dribs and drabs. Building up such a tolerance that they’d no longer get effect from Sub would be very difficult.

From what I’ve heard, people who go into jails in the US are basically forced into immediate detox. I’m unsure whether Methadone is prescribed in jail (as it is here in Aus), but from what I heard by an American ex-addict I met while in NA, you pretty much start your detox when you’re put in remand, whether you like it or not.

Given that, it’s likely that the people using it in jail will be getting an effect or a "high" from the Sub they take, just as we would feel a high if we had 4mg after being clean and opiate free for a month or two. Why they’re choosing to smuggle in Sub, and not China, has me beat. The only reason I can attribute is that Sub is extremely accessible.

I can tell you what happens in Aus, as it’s quite interesting should you guys consider Methadone / Sub programs in jail. A person who has a history of opiate addiction in Aus who end up in remand or incarcerated, is offered the choice of going on a program, be it Suboxone or Methadone. By far and wide most people choose Methadone, but not for the reason you’d assume. Because methadone is swallowed, and it’s harder to smuggle, most people prefer it. If a person is given Suboxone, and the word gets out to their unit / pod (which it always does), they will basically be stood over, threatened, bashed or whatever until they agree to divert their dose for those people. The only people who choose to take Suboxone in jail are either those who want to profit from it – ie people who can handle themselves in jail, or have a solid crew for protection – or those who want it for themselves and know they can handle any threats.

Sub / Methadone is generally offered to those whose crimes have been drug related. Even if they’re clean at the time – ie they got clean and got pinched for a crime years later – many will still take the Methadone because they basically wanna "sleep through" their time. Even Imovaine and OTC sleep aids are a valuable commodity.

I’ve never done hard time. But I’ve lived with many people who have, and this is what they tell me.