Author: Redemption
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:08 pm
| tearj3rker wrote: |
| Using an altered state of mind to get over addiction is not a new concept. Bill W (the dude who started AA) reached a spiritual point of surrender, the point where he genuinely lost the desire to keep drinking, while in the intense state of delerium tremens. Pretty much anyone I’ve known who has described their ‘surrender’ was experiencing an incredibly intense state of mind at the time, the kind that has the potential to leave a long lasting impression, or ‘rewire’ one’s brain.
It’s almost as if an extreme state of mind is necessary in order to rewire the brain out of the destructive cycles of thinking we get ourselves into. Most people reach this point through the pain of their addiction – ie hardened men breaking down into tears about the state of their life in a jail cell, or seeing a sign from God or the Mother Mary while being resuscitated from a heroin overdose. While it’s extremely ironic that a hallucinogen could very well induce such a state of surrender, I’m not surprised it’s possible. My brain was totally rewired by my years of taking LSD and mushrooms, and I’d say definitely to my detriment. If hallucinogens have that capability, who’s to say that one, by chance, can’t ‘rewire the brain’ to positive effect? Ibogaine is also really interesting with opiates in that it has some similar qualities to naltrexone in terms of rapid detox. It seems that people who have gone through ibogaine therapy come out in a similar state to those who have undergone a rapid detox, especially given their tolerance to opiates is ‘reset’. However, Ibogaine appears to not induce the extremely painful rapid detox symptoms, or it effectively masks them behind its hallucinogenic effect. Is the brain perfectly healed though? I doubt it, given most people still relapse after Ibogaine. Anyone who has taken LSD knows that the extreme states of mind hallucinogens induce leave a lasting impression. I’d personally say that they can easily rewire your brain. Why then can’t one of these drugs actually have positive therapeutic effect? It is no miracle cure though. The average amount of time a person stays clean on Ibogaine is 6 months, and the guys I know who do it recommend 6 month "boosters" for the first couple of years (maybe they need the $ |
) . Because of this, I still believe that nothing’s more effective than a genuine state of surrender – the kind where you’re willing to refuse morphine even on your death bed.
Can rapid detox work for long term sub users? what does it include? I think the difference between Iboga and rapid detox is that Iboga apparently takes away withdrawals and PAWS whereas rapid detox just eliminates sub from your mind and doesnt take all the withdrawals or paws? what would be a better option Ibogaine or Rapid Detox?
Also those who relapse after Ibogaine do so because of boredom and not paws or depression? can Ibogaine really take away withdrawals of a 5 or 6 year sub users? I hear paws come back or start after few months post-Iboga or Ibogaine? am a bit confused and dont know what to do.
In my situation Ive been taking sub for almost 6 years now and to be realistic no matter how slow I wean I am bound to have some long lasting withdrawals and PAWS..So either I can take 0.2 Subutex every 4 or 5 days to skip so to eliminate as much as half life as possible or do Ibogaine..
